The Pharisees tithed on all their belongings. I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. I understand what you are saying by the verses you referenced in John. How can you not see that? This again cannot be proven from history. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. @greg Our Mission Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! (P.S. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. I would agree with this. A prime example of the dangers of belonging to a convention is seen in the apostate Southern Baptist Convention. For example inn Isle of Wight county in southeastern Virginia, Baptist preachers were taken to Nansamond River, nearly drowned by Episcopalians to show their contempt for Baptists beliefs in immersion and their rejection of infant Baptism. Again Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. 6. Men meeting the Biblical qualification of deacons (servants) (1 Tim. They were just outside of the resort area on the beach at night and were stopped by a group of policemen. Hope youll check it out. This group is to help Pastors locate KJV IFB Churches. PEOPLE are the problem! Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of IndependentBaptist.com. I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. You know, when you really dig into many religions you find much of mans tradition. (See Acts 20:28, Hebrews 13:7). KJV Church Directory. It was founded because some saved men believed the Bible and wanted to follow the New Testament example of what a true church should be. G.L. In other areas Baptist churches were being formed about this same time. The list is endless. The entire point of Matthew 15 is Jesus telling the Pharisees that the ceremonial laws were no longer needed since the reason for them (the cleansing of sin) was replaced with Christs eventual death on the cross. She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. Even after Williams left it, it continued to follow the New Testament and was not adversely effected. God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. Some of these churches have gone so far to even deny the fundamental teachings of the Bible, such as the deity of Christ, the virgin birth and salvation by the Grace of God, through faith. This lasted only one Sunday however, and the following Sunday the doors were opened and services held in defiance of the order. Please see the Tithing Deception and Tithe 10% or Get Punished articles for more information. Tithing is still a required act in obedience just like loving the Lord thy God and loving thy neighbor as thyself is. Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. Follow us on Pinterest: They were intolerant to anyone who did not agree to the authority of the Puritan church, which was supported by a governmental church tax of all the people. I cannot judge this man. 2 . Being curious, I tried the Episcopal church and am now making arrangements for my confirmation. Other churches founded in New England and in the Middle colonies were the actual mother churches of modern Baptist churches as these churches were responsible for starting other churches. 3:3). Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. You can tell when people actually study their Bibles. He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. I feel silly because some of the things I stood up for on this site are the same things that made me leave. It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. We all make mistakes, the only thing we can do is apologize and attempt to do better. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it He states there were Baptists in England 1400 AD. My statement about folks not studying and just sitting in the pew and listening to the MOG, was not addressed to you specifically, but to folks generally, you wouldnt agree to this? When we arrive in heaven we are going to be surprised not only by who is there, but by who isnt there. It should be free. After Henry VII separated England from the Roman Catholic Church the Baptist faired no better. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. Thank you for writing back. God uses us, to the extent that get out of His way. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man . Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. You want to point out that you think that I have anger issues, but have a look at your comments, I dont see awhole lot of love dripping off of your comments either. It began with a man named John Smyth who was a bishop in the Church of England. Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. Nothing comforted. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.. It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? But Im pretty sure we can agree that If I showed up to your Church naked i would probably not be allowed in. I dont see a thing wrong with it; He didnt make us to be wooden. These New Testament believers rejected every attempt to include them in with the other churches who compromised and accepted the Roman governments money, rule and authority. All Independent Baptist Church The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church - Monaca, PA No Reviews Favorite Claimed? The bulk of your comments were about the historical background of the Church of Christ movement. So what is the solution? These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. Also, I support tithing personally. 4.) The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. If they want to protest such an event, please feel free to move their candy butts a mile or more down the road. Please anyone readng this, go back and take a couple weeks and seriously read through the gospels again, over and over, our Lord talks about, and condemns pharisees and others for dressing up the outside and not being concerned about the inside, btw if the inside is right the outside will follow. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. Secessionism is the gross error of Catholicism. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) God knows if he ever accepted Jesus Christ as his Saviour. IFCA International was founded in 1930 as the Independent Fundamental Churches of America in response to the growing apostasy within the major denominations. The Law was done away withperfect love fullfills all the Law was trying to acomplish. You have accused Greg of, Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture., yet you have essentially done the same thing. @Lynne I appreciate your dedication and your spirit to pursue what God would have for you in the area of giving. The influx of these falsely converted pagans is one reason Roman Catholicism came to have so many idolatrous and pagan beliefs. Proverbs 21:24, Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath. Independent Fundamental Baptist Church Hope is a Baptist church located at Chapala lago, Patzcuaro Ejido Xochimilco, Patzcuaro Ejido Xochimilco, Zona Urbana Xochimilco, Mexicali, Baja California 21355, MX. adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! Ivor Church is the only one I know of where you can virtually come as you are. The name Fundamental Independent Baptist is of recent origin and came into being because many modern day Baptist churches compromising the Word of God and teaching and practicing false doctrines. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. There are hundreds of archaic words that I have no idea what they mean and then you have words that have actually changed meaning since the KJV was published like conversation, to me that means to talk with someone, not in the KJV, it means behavior, prevent is another one, to me it means to stop someone from doing something, not in the KJV, it means to precede. These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. If you want to be under law, you need to keep all 613 commandments of the Mosaic law. He was a presbyter and former deacon in the Anglican church. You stated that all churches tithe a certain way and used that fact to justify a way of thinking. Make no mistake though baptism will never save anyone! It holds high the saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed in the New Testament and an unwavering commitment to carrying out the Great Commission, that is, to teach everywhere the truth of Gods Word. Protestants still practice infant baptism which is not taught in the Word of God. Still today, many Protestants see the Lords Supper as a sacrament, having to some degree saving properties or giving some spiritual benefit. KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA . As with any true New Testament church, its validity as a true church approved of God, does not, nor or ever did rest on its name or upon a succession of churches, but on its adherence to the principles of Gods Word. 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 14Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14 see how silly that way of using scripture is? To preach the Bible without the rituals of the Church of England was against the law. Knolleys joined other dissenters left England. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. One Baptist church, however, did begin after 1714, in Surry Country, and another at Burleigh, Virginia. They do not find support in the Bible for such a requirement. We are friendly Fundamental Independent Baptists, k ind-of like the church your grandparents might have once attended. Robert Fry Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception, 75. Look at Ezekiel 33. HWY 3 NW. Lynne, Visit Pinterests profile on Pinterest. Founded in June of 1980, International Baptist Missions is a ministry of Tri-City Baptist Church. The one thing that makes one a Baptist is that historically they have followed the New Testament alone as its sole rule for faith and practice. Though we no longer keep the ritual and sacramental law, Gods moral laws and prophesies of things yet to come are not to be ignored. And that homeless man that shows up every few weeks may have truly accepted Christ in the past, but events of life led to his downward spiral. He believed the only way to recover was to form a new church based on the Bible. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. The only time I ever dressed up was for Job interviews. Not just the New Testament. Even the Roman Catholic Church which boasts of his unbroken history cannot prove an unbroken line of churches earlier than the Third Century, and what Catholicism teaches today in no way resembles what the New Testament teaches or what the early churches believed and practiced. (1 Tim. The Puritans were dissenters from the Church of England. We also have a man that shouts Amen as well. When people ask me what church I am a member of, I always tell them the Heavenly Church, wherever and whoever that is. I think that you should go kill your children. My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. Smokers use breath mints. 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. Also, and Im not sure how to word this question properly, but during the building of the original NT church as described in Acts and further in the rest of the NT, wouldnt they have had to subscribe to some form of outside authority and control in order for the church to be formed? There are a number of other wrong teachings w/in this church but the false teaching about baptism is far and away the biggest, some of the others are, not believing in eternal security, and close behind is not believing that one can know that you are saved. p.s. Gilbert (7 miles) Higley (11 miles) Mesa (13 miles) Tempe (14 miles) Ahwatukee (14 miles) El Mirage (14 miles) More Types of Churches in Chandler. The charge recorded against him was that he broached and divulged new and dangerous opinions against the authority of the magistrates. We are not under law, but under grace. 2 Corinthians 9:6 Prosperity Giving Deception, 76. He then begins crying, Im not an expert at body language, but it certainly seemed contrived, preachertainment some would call it. all churches that support tithingtithe a tenth of their income to building Gods kingdom. Actually what should have been first was the erroneous teaching that water baptism has anything at all to do with ones salvation, it does not! Independent Baptist churches (some also called Independent Fundamental Baptist or IFB) are Christian congregations, generally holding to conservative (primarily fundamentalist) Baptist beliefs. Hello, 3:8-13) are appointed from the local congregation and approved by the majority vote. The ordinance of baptism, or 2. KJB. [CDATA[ A storm of persecution broke out because these Baptist preached what the Puritans called damnable errors. Most of the members of the church were fined or imprisoned or both, at one time or another. http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html. Im not saying thats the case only sharing my experience & by Gods grace I have done so I believe. Benedict in his history of the Baptists states the Gospel was preached in Britain within sixty years of the Lords return to heaven. It was horrible. When and Where Was the First Recorded Baptist Church in History, The Beginnings of the Baptists in America, https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php, http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. Omissions? I certainly need Gods help to do the things He has asked me to do. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? It is well to note that not all Virginians felt this way. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. King Ethelbert and his court, and a considerable part of his kingdom, were won over by the successful monk. Oopsin 1st paragraphh in one sentence I actually meant something more like this: the Law is fullfillednow we can truly do good works that are pleasing to the Lord for the sins are washed away with & following the Law to make us right, which it never could but only point to our need for redemption, is fullfilled. The crime of these men was that they believed the Bible was Gods Truth, and rejected dictates of false churches and men. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. I humbly asked a question. 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. That saintly old woman in the pew may be depending upon her infant baptism to get her to heaven. The crucial point is not that they called themselves Baptists, but they followed the Bible as their sole authority for faith and practice. S.J. They are guilty of not holding the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. I have spoken to my pastor about this, and he insists that its fine for me as a parishioner to come as I am, but he as a pastor should be dressed alittle better, I told him if that is a personal conviction that is fine, but did he have any scripture to support that, of course he didnt. However, history is clear that in the beginning and into the 9th Century there were churches in Britain that rejected pedo-baptism, popery and other false doctrines of the Catholics. The church government of many Independent Baptist churches are to have pastors and deacons as officers of the local church. May God bless Bob. This is just too weird for me to not comment on. I assume you are referring to the errant position that many Pastors, Deacons, or Elders have taken placing themselves between God & Man. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? That will suffice. I do attend the Church of Christ. Robert Fry - Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception; 75. Now when the head of a church & all dem that fall in line must appply apsotast (like openly Gay Pastor, etc) than you should have some of them on here big. In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. It is the clergymen who are affiliated. The loved me and cared for my" Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! clarity/dont want to lieas far as experiences at churche sin regards to Tithing: I practiced tithing at former Non-Den churchPAastor explained tithing, giving & offering I think & wa sclear not mandatory but reallywhy tenth onlyactual giving by restricting only seemed to be what I learned from thatits all His. . For example, we had Dish installed in our home a few weeks ago. https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus.html. 2.) Anyone who differed with the practices of the State church were subject to great persecution. I really have an issue with this point. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. Independent, Fundamental, King James, Mission Minded Our Service Times Are: Sunday Morning Worship -. God bless. Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. These are the distinctives which separate Baptists from all Protestants, any organized church or Christian cult. Failure to pay the tax brought the wrath of the civil and church leaders and people were publicly beaten, placed in stocks, fined, imprisoned, and banished from the colony by the civil authorities under the direction of the Puritan church officials. Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. 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