You didnt have the integrity and honesty to answer my question, and now you want me to answer yours! Refuse to let that man and his family go. Wake up to the day's most important news. Just ask Michael Newham, hell avoid the question as he points his stubby little fingers everywhere else but at himself, or Alex G, he at at least might be more honest and tell he you hes viewed porn and probably worse. I am curious about when men have this happen to them (especially if theyre caught as opposed to confessing) if there are other issues that need to be looked at? Please dont forget them in your prayers that God will put godly counselors in their paths to help them with their pain, their fear, and more than likely their doubt in their own faith. Trust me here, I will assure you, none of us here will ever hope to represent Jesus as well as those 4 books. So, what about babylons Dread is his theology from Homer Simpson? According to a census of the denomination, in 2020, it had 1,700 churches. He could preach a Jesus message with a straight face on Sundayhaving done so much evil the Saturday before. And since you have it all sorted out there is no reason for anyone to talk to you about it. You should not trouble yourself with this man. "We are not led by a board of elders.". [9] Hooked on porn for years. Im not amill, but that was a ludicrous statement. Welcome to those who found this blog due to Bob Coys fall, my heart and prayers go out to you as you navigate this difficult time. Dont give the devil his way and cast stones. Unfortunately, his teaching was very shallow, and a tendency toward story-telling and stand-up comedy in favor of sound, Biblical doctrine was both offensive and disappointing to me asking themselves why they did not recognize the absence of authentic Christian character in the fallen mega-pastor. When you have availability and opportunity its just a matter of time. When one is so charismatic and manipulative, it is not hard to distinguish between the 2 for me. maybe you could pray for everyone and call it a day. And so if you cant read shall reign with him 1000 years as shall reign with him 1000 years, that is your personal issue. Even the disciples were surprised by what happened. What sin are you guilty off?????? I have been married over 45 yrs and am almost Muslim like when I come in the presence of other women. The pain of church shopping is excruciating, especially since last time I was at Potential I was in tears over the horror I experienced there. The next level of givers got to have a dinner with them with more people, the next level got a buffet dinner> The next got a lunch buffet and then some got nothing.. A core of my current belief system is that none are truly transformed when they are saved. Youre a special woman. Stop this! Youre not speaking Gods words, youre talking out your sanctimonious backside and youre in sin. Calvary Chapel has a flawed view of Leadership. Neo Coral Ridge does not the same doctrinal position as CCFL. His programs were included on Trinity Broadcasting Network, a network that hosts several televangelists. He resigned. A rich man has freedom to embrace the world. Explain to me how you could take communion at 3 services and then go bang someone else?? ATTENTION TO RIGHT HOLDERS! Michael, you know that this thread is going to deteriorate. But they do have these pills now. The church clearly did not think this. The only point is the one they refuse to acknowledge. The church won't say, though a spokesman says the chapel was "saddened to hear of the allegations." Anonymous? Smith was among the first pastors to make a startling discovery: Many of the hippies and disaffected youth who'd come for the Summer of Love had realized psychedelic drugs and the Grateful Dead weren't filling the holes in their lives. Ya because he has 20k followers that he lies to daily. She was about to go through an adventure that would make her feel more confident and offer her a fresh start in life. I still live Pastor Bob. I am pointing out the fact that giving flawed man too much power and authority is corrupting in both politics and religionno matter how specially anointed they claim they are or how endorsed they are by Chuck Smith etc. You say regarding John Macarthur, Otherwise, at least he doesnt get rich off of Jesus and doesnt bilk people of their money and tows the moral line he lays down. Really? Force yourself to consider whether He is Who He claims to be. Here we are, with sicknesses, war, hate, famine, destruction world wide. the church sits on the new Mcnab which is an extension of Cypress Creek Road people confuse the two all the time. Thanks Michael. If the preponderance of evidence makes it useless to fight, they resign. Sad, very sad because this affects many congregations, not just FTL. When a mocker comes along it is real important for him to be smart and accurate with his mocking. Yes I am disappointed but Bob is a man. Two thirds of the congregation will be seated already knowing. Most of the regular posters, find no glee in what has happened. is it possible you source could be wrong. I completely agree with you that if it had been done to my loved onesI would have kicked his sorry can up around his shoulder blades and repented later. You can try and stick anything on me you like. Skip Heitzig (born 1955) is the American founder and senior pastor of Calvary Church, a Calvary Chapel fellowship located in Albuquerque, New Mexico.External links. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism. Hugh, You showed nother in John 6. He loved having yes men around him. In 2009, a fatal wrong-way crash caused by a soccer mom killed eight people. Lots of things. They had the opportunity to speak clearly to this before anyone else. BD, the content of what Im stating cannot be denied, I have dialogued many Cavinists and when push comes to shove these are the things they believe, why are they embarrassed by these teachings, or try to deny them. The dicey part for this church is that there is a chance that some leadership people knew this was an ongoing problem for years. "My heart is breaking for my Church, my Pastor and his family," wrote Marie L. Harris in a Facebookcomment. If you think it is to avoid war, famine and sickness you are wrong. God doesnt jugde nor hold this against him. Am I close? Jesus loves him and his family very much. Someday, all our sins will be revealed, you may be surprised who has hidden this type of sin, how prevalent it is, and how many are struggling to not be exposed for fear of being treated like we are treating Bob Coy. Michael continues to be a blogger fail, spreading innacurate information, in hopes of being a journalist/blogger while these comments help sell him ads and he continues to beg for money via paypal on here. Just answer these questions my friend, and you will know if youre a preterist scripture denying disciple of Calvin or a Bible believing follower of Jesus! Hey 99.9% of guys do or they are lying! They were expecting it. Good or them!!! If he had been going around dipping his quill in several other inkwells and coming back to sis for access you get the picture, I would personally go over to him and beat him up and help toss his butt out of the house. Now either dialogue with respect or go back to selling bridges to imaginary Calvinists. Pastor Bob Coy left with his family. Recognizing we serve a God of second chances and that our hope is in Him, the statement concludes, the leadership, staff and members of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale have joined together in prayer for Pastor Bob and his family during this time of healing.. I wonder what happened to the 61 million raised. Thats getting copied and pasted and saved to be used a lot in the future , Gomer MLD, I would love to meet you someday, as you are the only man I have heard of who does not struggle with this in some way.. Reading Paiges comments really brought home for me the absolute horror for the wife of a pastor who falls in such a big way. Im not married. I hope you all dont choke on these morsels of gossip. She spends too much money on collectables and is enamored with movies, comics, and television series. Our pastor, he committed sexual immorality, habitually, through pornography. In 2007, Christianity Today spoke to numerous Calvary pastors across the country. Do not get fixated on the trashy tabloids and rumors, but try to put yourself in Bobs shoes, or his familys for that matter. Good for you. After doing research, we found that each of these churches are controlled at the top by people who have connections to the ecumenical/interfaith movement and are stealthily drawing the churches into the one world religion of the Antichrist.. WHAT HAPPENED THAT YOURE STILL SINGLE, DO YOU STRUGGLE WITH SEXUAL ATTRACTION TOWARDS THE SAME SEX, OR ARE YOU TRULY A EUNUCH FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD? "It was attractive on both sides, for the Christians who hadn't really gotten into the drug culture but were younger and wanted something new and for the people who had come through '60s free love and drugs and needed some stability.". Michael, youre kicking against Gods goading and your colors are showing. doctrine like eschatology comes up, they all come out with very strong verbiage? I dont understand the part about bringing pride into this in some of the comments. Do u not see that his co-sinners are being judged by many of you as throwing themselves at him and seductresses? As a supportive friend, I have questions, too.. Whatever happened to preaching The Bible, and not ones own brand of The Gospel? "I can't discuss it on the record," the former pastor, who managed a casino with exotic dancers in Las Vegas before committing his life to Christ, said when approached in October. I personally believe that when more people with big bucks started attending, things really changed. No mans gifts and abilities are so necessary to Gods work that he (God) will violate his own word and wink at that mans seemingly covered and hidden sin. And if these things are true then I would run from CCFL if those practices are not dealt with. Whats George Zimmerman up to these days? Tell me why you need to be the first w news rather than respecting the church body and unity of faith and respecting that as a congregation, we need to be together to receive our family update. I know God is not surprised by all this but we all need to get a grip! What does numbers have to do with anything? Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Why was he bound and have we seen the results of that binding? I cant find it on the backend. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they teach., And also with Paul who said in Phil 1:15-18. His publicist stated that Coddington was a long-time diabetic who died from complications that were brought on from a recent surgery for a perforated colon along with sepsis and kidney complications.[13]. In case of her demise, she promised not to file a lawsuit. I hear you, but keep it PG. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! The power this one man had over everyone was beyond imaginable. Shouldnt these posts be cathartic? What is HIS selfish and SATAN centered motive for this exposure?????? Derek I blame cheating not on power and authority but on mans dual nature and non-transformed salvation. I wan tho know ow long has he been having affairs Michael, if you have concret evidence that he committed adultery and was addicted to pornography can u provide any other details? I pray Kestler hasnt moved on to another church where he can keep the same pattern going, Unless he is truly restored spiritually to the Lord. If Coral Ridge is teaching doctrines that contradict Gods word, then Yes, they are leading Gods people astray! Oh, he doesnt think that on the surface, but he knows what he is doing. Like his mentor Smith, he looked for converts in unusual places. Im doubting your ability to graciously recognize that many other Christians have come to other conclusions using the same Bible as your own. First it is absolutely dishonoring and disgraceful to his wife (whether he is caught or not) dipping his pe in strange waters and bringing it back to his marital bed is about as low as you can get. Is there a man here who would NOT do the same. The church should set a mechanism for those that dont know how to deal with their sin to discretely discuss it and decide how to move forward. I find it doubtful that one 4 yr old girl was forced to do this and it happened to not one other person when she says it happened repeatedly? http://www.calvaryftl.org/about/pastorsstaff/pastors/# This is public and common knowledge and has been discussed and admitted from the pulpit I have been present when Fidel and Connie (Johns wife) admitted it to an audience. This is bad for the pastor, bad for the general congregation. so they never addressed the dress of the women. When we fall, we have to model the humility and fidelity to the Scriptures that we demand they recognize.then model the love, grace, and restoration to the body that proves our complete fidelity. But with false doctrine he said But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray.. They need our prayers. Hugh, so what you are saying is that when Jesus said, this IS my body what he really meant was, this is NOT my body., Hey MLD, go cut off your right hand and pluck your eye out, When the symbolism is obvious or the context tells you that theres a deeper or allegorical truth thats being conveyed or the scripture is clarified by other scriptures as I showed you from John 6, then the passage is clarified, but of course if youre a Luther follower you wont accept that, since Luther was a catholic monk, and didnt move away completely from the Catholic Church, and held on to some of their traditions i.e., child baptism, and now the Lords supper, that instead of transubstantiation it became consubstantiation or sacramental union, so Luther made a start but unfortunately didnt go far enough which is where you are MLD. im sad. Can you please point me to the confession of these women? People out there in churches seem to lean in the direction of caring very much about moral issues, but they ignore doctrine. I did the change the headline to removed so as not to get caught up in ridiculous minutia. Deny that all you want, its the truth and you are a foolish if you think he is not doing his best to forget this happened for awhile. That was followed by more worship. Which church did you go to in that was a John Macarthur affiliated church? May the same be done to Bob Coy. Brother, you need a hug. They could not even think for themselves. That thing being, Luther is never wrong, in your estimation. Instead go to the surest source about Jesus, the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Loss off place in church culture. What is the biblical model for dealing with leaders who blatently sin? The 8-9 years I was there she was never around and hardly did any ministry. Is the devil chained up right now? His name was Herod. We all have our personal emotional responses, but scripture should always be our guide and it certainly is not silent in how to deal with such situations. Ever. #325 Is that Biblical? #464, Unfortunately, I see this all over the place in American evangelicalism. in fact, when the idea is brought up, Jesus denies he has a reign here on earth. If I was a new believer ( and Im not, its been 40 years) I would run fast, away from this apparent hate tank if I thought this was the body because thats what this has become- a hate tank. He has been the father and leader of a house. I do have issue with his lies, spending money on mistresses, and exposing his wife to STDs. I know the poster meant well, but this seems to be the kind of pastor worship that causes these problems in the first place, and lets pastors feel invincible for years of sin. When we forget that, thats when we abuse the offices entrusted to us, men and women both. Scary how someone can look you in the eye, while doing a sermon filled with lies. That is one more reason mega-anything can be so mega-bad for all believers who now have to explain this to the mockers and critics. He had admitted to a grave "moral failing." Be strong and have Faith.. Everyone loves u and repentance will heal..prayers to u and your family. BC is not a victim he is a victimizer. you will know if youre a preterist scripture denying disciple of Calvin or a Bible believing follower of Jesus!. What about Calvary Chapel West Palm Beach, did that one survive the CC Florida curse? 25 See, I have told you ahead of time. Look for your proverbial iron to sharpen your iron. To err is humanto forgive..divine. Pastor Bob has always reminded his congregation that they should look to Christand not to man. Hugh, With MLD leading the way with his self righteous smug attitude!. Finally starting to pray. No, your position has replaced Jesus Christ who is the sum and substance of all prophecy, with the nation state of Israel. Leadership is not a right, its a privilege. Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale (CCFL) is an evangelical, charismatic megachurch in Florida, with over 20,000 worshipers attending on average. You mean like Jesus was a bull in a china shop and came in and turned over the money changers and made a whip and judged that which did not belong in the house of God, just like these false doctrines that contradict Gods word, do not belong in the church of God, dead doctrines that reveal themselves in the festering fruit, Ive been to these reformed churches Calvanist churches, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Reformed Episcopalian, etc, and for the most part are stiff with doctrinal rigor mortis, so its readily apparent why Satan has injected these doctrines early on into the church, as you see the ineffectual fruit if produces. Daughter, We live in Coral Springs and have attended some of the more conservative churches in the area Reformed Baptist, Anabaptist and a John Macarthur affiliated church. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. Lordship doesnt mean sinless but you cant have Jesus as savior without Him also as Lord they go together. In the Coy case, though, Payne never made that kind of headway. Then Outreach Pastor Chet Lowe specifiedto the congregation that Coy "committed adultery with more than one woman" and "committed sexual immorality, habitually, through pornography.". It's October 2017, and Bob Coy hunches over a laptop in a far corner of the Funky Biscuit, a dimly lit club in Mizner Park in Boca Raton. Listen to his own words here: http://www.thewatchmanwakes.com/John-MacarthurMark-of-the-Beast.html. Thats the kind of crap my step-dad CC pastor pulled. Jake and his mother were like her own sons to her. Andy, the whole passage is figurative or symbolic. Tell me one Christian that doesnt consider Jesus Lord and I will tell you they are not a Christian. I was able to get some details on the matter and published yesterday afternoon. It takes some man to teach people to come to those conclusions that you would never come to without that man. considering there is no evidence of what his moral failing was and no one has confirmed his affairs and his family is still in florida, I think you should wait and check your facts or state your source before making such a statement. photos: Screencap via Youtube/Google Street View, The club has now terminated its relationship with Coy, toured the nation on Evangelical radio and TV shows. So please put blame where blame is due, Bob Coy. They have been given that power, as was Coy. @pierreduelz The duration of absence from leadership should be commensurate with the size of the flock he shepherded and the duration of the corruption.. I am crystal clear on everything you have told me and havent told me anything I didnt already know. Lorenzo, http://thisisnthappiness.com/post/82410505140/a-2008-study-found-that-women-showed-signs-of, Ohhh, Lorenzo, bad form to shout in all caps. If true that absolutely stuns me. In fact in scripture the Lamb IS the Lion because of symbolism. Unless you live in this area you have no idea the influence BC has had on it. Calvary was among the first churches in the nation to air podcasts, stream services online, and simulcast sermons at satellite campuses (the church had opened campuses in Plantation and Boca). Was Nero the anti christ? We did not have the luxury of all those in ministry on his payroll. 2. Well, what happened to the $ since there was never a new sanctuary? In 2006, gubernatorial candidates Charlie Crist and Tom Gallagher personally pleaded for Coy's endorsement, though he declined. "The law enforcement agency makes [its] decision on whether to bring the case to us," says Ron Ishoy, a spokesman for Satz. Why is that so hard? 22:20), The Lord Jesus Christ commands all believers to proclaim the gospel throughout the world and to make disciples of all nations. From what I understand, many employed knew something was going down for a long time. Pride paves the way to infidelity and/or sexual indiscretions. Agree with BDs #775. Answer mine first! Daughter- There area few Pastors there (wont mention names) that have taken on BCs mannerisms and style. Fact. I was feeling horrible.". Very long period of time needed for restoration and healing. Anyone know? He didnt repent of his wrongdoings when he hurt children or their parents. We all sin, but this is heartbreaking. Is his family with him? fllynn, when you describe their teachings as garbage and nonsense, it isnt the truth it is your ungracious interpretation. ), and the Christians will take over all the positions of government and usher in the return of Christ, and heres the kicker, all the prophecies have already taken place, 666 on the forehead or right hand is symbolic tooWow so much I missed because according to the preterist the prophecy of the Euphrates river drying up and a 200 million men army and the giants of the east being woken up and islands sinking into the ocean and 70 pound boulders falling from heaven, in a tribulation period never before experienced in the history of man, and all the plagues of revelation, all that has already taken place, yes folks back in 70 AD when Nero, who by the way was the Antichrist, sacked Jerusalem, gee I guess he had all the power of Satan, and the false prophet, well well have to spiritualize that one too. Oh, Florida of little faith! The Calvary Chapel movement is nothing but a put-on to confuse peoples minds and create stories that have NOTHING to do with Biblical truth. This is the real price of sin in our lives, fully on display. Cue the anthem.. Its crazy that people think Bob Coy had ONE affair, caught a conscience about it and decided to step down. Tracked down at the bar on a recent weeknight, the well-dressed ex-pastor looks no different from the days when he preached to thousands of followers. His congregation will continue to thrive and fight the good fight of faith. Lets let our new folks visit and vent. I think they need to clean house in order to restore confidence. This isnt about me, and by making it about me, you bear false witness and sin yourself. "But we need to remember it is Jesus Christ who is our leader and not man.". The church Coy helped build has moved on without him, but the national Calvary organization has struggled. I suspect the local media in Florida will be all over this as things unfold. The case was assigned to a detective and although police advised the victim that there does not seem to be a statute of limitations concerning the alleged crime, the girl reportedly did not cooperate in terms of pursuing the matter further. When my Bible says that WHOSOEVER WILL BELIEVE IN HIM will not perish but have everlasting life then anything else is garbage! That doesnt happen unless you do something really bad, not just adultery. But let me give you a hint, in apocalyptic literature, every time thrones are mentioned it is a heavenly scene. But there is a big difference. At the time, God was pretty much restricted to Israel and a few surrounding areas. Charles Ward Chuck Smith (June 25, 1927 October 3, 2013) was an American pastor who founded the Calvary Chapel movement.Chuck Smith (pastor). As they relish in someone elses sin, they are blind to their own, self righteous Pharisees! . He even had his own brother stand in front of thousands to apologize.. "People were really, really hurt," says Colleen Healy, a Broward resident who began following Coy in 1995. That may sound petty, but really, your comment is, well, naive. He is in the process of restoration. If these Calvanistic preterists would have been around at the time when Jesus ascended into heaven, as the disciples looked up, and the angels said, why do you stand here oh men of Galillee, for in the same way you saw him ascend, he will also descend! they would probably have started arguing with the angel, no he cant come back again corporeally, it would have to be spiritually, because its something that our little tiny minds cant understand, we have to reinterpret what you angels are saying, it must mean a spiritual return, dont you hear them saying, it must mean a spiritual mark on the forehead, it must mean a symbolic 1000 years, it must mean a symbolic 7 years. and on and on they go, they remind me of the Sadducees, who denied the miraculous, well the Preterists have nothing to look forward to as we live in exciting times and see prophecies unfolding before our eyes, they are the nay saying Sadducees of our time, and they want to be included within the pale of orthodoxy, as they follow doctrines that deny the power of God and negate the promises of his soon return! More details are sure to come out and lets hope and pray for the best as time moves forward. I sincerely hope the congregation not only survives it all but even thrives. Coy sued Fort Lauderdale in 2003 after the city tried to block Calvary from placing a sign with a Christian message at a Christmas light show.